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 Post subject: Peppermint Debian
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:58 pm 
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Any chance of this in the future? I was using Sidux, and Peppermint as my ubuntu flavour, but it seems Sidux has problems, a debian Peppermint would be a nice alternative! Nice work with Peppermint, I' ve been using it more or less since Peppermint One was released, pretty good on my MSI Wind, don't like the other ubuntu variants as much.


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 Post subject: Re: Peppermint Debian
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:13 pm 
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I personally would like to see that ala Crunchbang, but also I've always thought the best way to appreciate Ubuntu is use Debian Lenny for 3 days on a modern laptop.... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Peppermint Debian
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:08 pm 
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We are starting to move away from using Ubuntu/Mint packaged applications and making our own from vanilla source code. That being said we will continue to use Ubuntu's/Mint's kernels for the patches that they come with and so we can continue to use the LTS code to provide rolling updates instead of having to tied to a release cycle.

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 Post subject: Re: Peppermint Debian
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:10 pm 
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Asheguy wrote:
We are starting to move away from using Ubuntu/Mint packaged applications and making our own from vanilla source code. That being said we will continue to use Ubuntu's/Mint's kernels for the patches that they come with and so we can continue to use the LTS code to provide rolling updates instead of having to tied to a release cycle.


That to me sounds like a great, nah, awesome! plan.....i.e. sticking to LTS code and working on enhancements in userspace. Yep, and the patched Kernels :)

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 Post subject: Re: Peppermint Debian
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:37 pm 
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Personally I've always found a few things to always work better "out of the box" in Ubuntu as opposed to Debian (cough *wireless* cough) and though workarounds for some of these things have been found I find it a better idea to stay on a solid code base that tries to bring a greater emphasis to user friendliness as opposed to Debian.

I'm also a bit of a sidux junkie the install I usually use when not doing dev work is Debian Squeeze. They're fantastic systems, but I'm not considering using them as the code base for a release at any point in the near future.

I've already built two Peppermint builds on top of Debian bases if you really want to know, but they were both built for the sole purpose of tracking bugs and development on them has completely stopped (until I find another pesky bug that requires it).

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 Post subject: Re: Peppermint Debian
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:23 am 
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In my own experience, Ubuntu works better out-of-the box when it does.

Debian is not intended to have things working out-of-the-box. But there are configuration instructions and they normally work. If you prefer, you can even follow the Sidux manual and howtos in Squeeze and they will also work. At, then end of the day, you will end up understanding your system better and being able to find solutions by yourself and helping others.

Ubuntu is a Debian hack. Some of the (normally black-box) solutions they provide to make things easier for the final user are great, others are not so good. When they work well out-of-the-box, it is fantastic. When they don't, normally, it is easier to configure your Debian installation from scratch than trying to find out why the Ubuntu hack is not working for you. Not only it is easier, but you also learn more useful stuff, because you learn about the system and not just about the hack.

In fact, even in MS Windows and MacOSX there are a lot of things not working out of the box. One difference is that they typically provide more or less intuitive graphical tools to guide you through the configuration process. Graphical configuration tools are precisely what makes Mint somehow better than Ubuntu for newbies (if only, because they are used to that). The second difference is that most people buy their MS or Apple computers with the system preinstalled and more or less preconfigured. So if they have a more or less painless out-of-the-box experience is because somebody else has actually done the job.

If you have to install MS Windows yourself, you will soon find that there are quite a few GNU/Linux distros which are far easier to install and configure. In addition, even if I have not used Windows for several years now, I help from time to time to friends and colleagues using Windows, and they run quite often into problems which we consider to be typical from Linux (sound or graphics card not working as expected, etc.). In part, this is due to the emergence of new architectures (64-bit) but is is mainly due to the fact that, after many years stuck on XP, MS appears to have returned to the old policy of releasing a new OS per year. And we know well how difficult this is ;)


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