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 Post subject: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/DVD?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:51 pm 
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I just wonder .... is there a way to install PM4 alongside Windows 7 without having a USB port or a CD/DVD player available?

After some searching on the internet I came up with Virtual Clonedrive and Mint4win, and I just wondered whether that's possible with PM4 as well.

Thank you in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:03 pm 
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Neither Mints Mint4Win, or Ubuntu's WUBI can be used to install Peppermint .. they're a royal pain anyway.

Why can't you use a LiveCD or LiveUSB ?

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:11 am 
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Why can't you use a LiveCD or LiveUSB ?


Well, that's a long story ...

My employer runs some 30 PC's which are used to enable some 200 asylum seekers children to make their homework. Those Windows based PC's (Dell Optiplex) are an everyday, as you said, a royal pain.

Just as a test I would like to install Peppermint on one of them to show my employer how stable and solid it is.

But the PC's do not have a CD/DVD player, and I cannot enter the BIOS to start up from USB. For some reason the PC's do not respond to the F12 option as Dell computers usually do.

Hence ... I hoped to find another to install Peppermint ... :)

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:54 am 
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Are these old Optiplex's, and are you trying to access the BIOS using a USB keyboard ? .. try using a PS/2 keyboard.

And IIRC the Optiplex BIOS access key is F2 not F12

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You could try using a USB CD/DVDROM drive .. but that's only going to work if CDROM is set before HDD in the boot sequence.

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The only other things I can think of would be to remove the HDD .. bung it in a PC that *does* have a CD/DVDROM drive .. boot to Peppermint LiveCD .. reesize the windows partition and install Peppermint .. move the HDD back to the Optiplex.

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ALL THAT MUST BE DONE WITHOUT EVER BOOTING WINDOWS on the new PC .. or Windows will attempt to pick up the drivers for the new hardware and inevitably become screwed for the Optiplex.

If you attempt this, ideally you'd backup the whole HDD to an image FIRST, then be VERY careful .. you attempt this at your own risk .. I'm only putting this here for completeness.

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:38 am 
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Are these old Optiplex's, and are you trying to access the BIOS using a USB keyboard ? .. try using a PS/2 keyboard. And IIRC the Optiplex BIOS access key is F2 not F12

They are about 2 years old. Optiplex 790 series with Core I5. BIOS is behind a password, and I do not have the password ... ;)

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You could try using a USB CD/DVDROM drive .. but that's only going to work if CDROM is set before HDD in the boot sequence.

The boot sequence puts the HDD first, and since I do not have the BIOS Password ... :?

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The only other things I can think of would be to remove the HDD .. bung it in a PC that *does* have a CD/DVDROM drive .. boot to Peppermint LiveCD .. reesize the windows partition and install Peppermint .. move the HDD back to the Optiplex.

Unfortunately there is not one with a CD or bootable USB ....

Hence, end of project ... :? I have to get the BIOS password somewhere 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:27 pm 
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I'm sure that there are other cautions that should be taken but, removing the CMOS battery for a few minutes should clear the BIOS password. See this thread viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6334


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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:42 pm 
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I *seriously* wouldn't try clearing a password protected BIOS on someone else's system unless I had the BIOS password.

Clearing the BIOS rarely resets the password .. but what it might do is clear some settings that are required for the attached hardware.

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
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That is a naughty plan, mnfrozenfish ;) but I think it is better to be safe than sorry with 30 or so PC's from my employer, financed by the European Union ... 8-) I think it's better to talk to the guys from the ICT department ...

Wouldn't it be great to have those 30 PC's running Peppermint? :)

Thank you all for your advice!

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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:32 pm 
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I knew that there could be some risks involved with resetting the CMOS, and quite honestly, was expecting PCNetSpec to point them out. Thanks. :) By all means if you can get the password from IT, go that route. I was under the impression that that was not an option.

Another option that just occurred to me is to use a Virtual machine, i.e. Oracle's VirtualBox https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads, to test out the OS on the Optiplex machines. I have PM3 and PM4 dual booting on a Dell Optiplex 745 and both run very well on short resources.


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 Post subject: Re: How to install PM4 alongside Windows7 without USB or CD/
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With VirtualBox you can download the .iso and point the Virtual machine to that file for the install, so no need for external input if you can download the image to the test machine.


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