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 Post subject: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:17 pm 
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Can you get full harddrive system encryption on peppermint? Is there an instruction available? Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:33 pm 
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Peppermint don't currently do an "alternate" installer disk image, but for Peppermint 3 the Ubuntu 12.04 "LUKS via Ubiquity" instructions should do the trick.

See here:
http://archimedesden.wordpress.com/2012 ... installer/
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Encry ... iaUbiquity

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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:05 pm 
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Thank you for the answer. I am an ubuntu user, and have searched for guides, but I do not think I found the links you stated. But I am not sure, I know how to use them. I have found this page
http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1166
Can you comment on if that should work on peppermint?
Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:51 pm 
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After reading that (and if it's correct), it looks like you need ubiquity >=2.12.16

Ubuntu 12.04 and therefore Peppermint 3 (and Mint 12 for that matter) only have 2.10.16 in ubuntu updates .. so I'd guess the answer is NO :(

Those instructions may work with Peppermint 4 when it's released .. that has ubiquity 2.14.8 in ubuntu updates.

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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:57 pm 
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Thanks. Your answer is the same, that I was told in another forum. So the key part is, that the peppermint iso, or another linux distro, must be able to update ubiquity to v. 2.12.16 or newer? But ubuntu 12.04 or peppermint 3, or distros using the same repositories, are not able to make that update.
But fx mint 14 can, because that edition have made the iso and repositories able to update ubiquity? I find the repository part about linux a bit confusing. Some of the software in the repositories seems to have errors, still they got in. Libreoffice 4 is still not part of the repository. It has not got in. And those linux distros, which would make the newer edition of ubiquity part of their repository, would support an easy, userfriendly system encryption. That many of the distros have not done. I would like to know the reasons.


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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:19 pm 
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OK, it's a bit complex but I'll *try* to explain ..

Peppermint 3 and Mint 12 are based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (long term support) so they get 99% of their software from the Ubuntu 12.04 software repositories .. so if Ubuntu don't update ubiquity for 12.04 it's unlikely that any Linux distro that used that as a base is going to update it.

Ubuntu are unlikely to update the ubiquity version in the 12.04 repos for 2 reasons

a) 12.04 is an LTS release, so is intended to be stable, so they don't tend to "experiment" with new versions of stuff that aint broken.
(12.04 will only tend to get bug fixes and security updates .. thereby keeping it stable for the full 5 years support cycle)

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b) there have been 2 more releases of Ubuntu since then 12.10 and 13.04 .. these are NOT LTS releases, so they can use more experimental software .. Mint 14 is based on Ubuntu 13.04 as will Peppermint 4

There is nothing stopping you installing later software in 12.04 (and distros built on it) but it's unlikely it will be added to the "default" repositories, you'll have to manually install it.

So really it's all about the age of the distro/version, whether it's an LTS release, and trade off's between stability and bleeding edge (but unproven) software.

You're comparing Peppermint 3 (effectively a year old, stable LTS) with Mint 14 which is 2 iterations of Ubuntu newer and a non LTS which will can afford to be more experimental .. as will be Peppermint 4

or think of it like this .. the new ubiquity will be tested in Ubuntu 13.04 (and distros based on it) and 13.10, and if/when it proves itself stable and bug free it will be included by default in the next LTS (14.04).

And if you click this link:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bugs+raring+ubiqui ... encryption
you'll see there have been bugs reported ;)

Make sense ?

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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:13 am 
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When I made my latest post, I did not expect an answer. Thank you for your effort. To clarify, I know you are not ubuntu, so of course you are not obliged to defend ubuntu decisions. I target ubuntu. Your explanation is perfectly clear, and I follow. But I do not agree on ubuntu 12.04's way of handling updates. For stability reasons, wine, libreoffice, ubiquity, to mention some, cannot be part of update repositories. I wanted to install a windows application. First after installing ppa wine, it ran. My point is, that not updating applications in repository also gives bugs and errors. Firefox can, though errors happens, be auto updated. In the case of ubiquity, you and ubuntu are right. Do not rock the boat by putting a newer ubriquity version into the iso. The installer being so important to get started. Alternatively ubuntu could make the newer ubiquity part of the repository, not the iso, so you actively have to choose the newer installer. Combined with a warning on an ubuntu wikipage.
If it does not work, you can retry without newer ubiquity. I did not ask about the peppermint 4 release date. I have searched for it, but cannot find it. Do you know the date?


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 Post subject: Re: full harddrive encryption on peppermint?
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:37 am 
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Peppermint 4 is in closed beta as we talk, and historically has been released may/june .. unlike other distros it is not released to a set in stone timetable, it's released when it's deemed "ready".

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