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 Post subject: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:37 am 
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Peppermint as I get it is a re-spin of Linux Mint Debian Edition???
I am not sure and LMDE is a re spin of Ubuntu and Ubuntu a version?
of Debian classic. I know nothing obiously. I am happy that things just works.

PMint2 as I name it works great. I am booted now like this using grub4dos
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title Pmint2
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Peppermint-Two-i386-06052011.iso
kernel /Pmint2/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Peppermint-Two-i386-06052011.iso quiet splash --
initrd /Pmint2/casper/initrd.lz


To get Swedish keyboard I just start up terminal and write setxkbmap se
that is faster than going through the many hoops to get both us and se kbd

To be complete I should give my Specs. It is an OEM Ms Win7 computer
I am booting Pmint2 on an Acer D250 10" Netbook that has no DVD
due to it being very small. I do have Pmint on a USB with grub2 install too.

But what I talk about here is iso frugal install on internal NTFS formatted HDD.


Now the big difference between Peppermint and say Crunchbang or Semplice
which both are Debian is that them don't allow me to save changes to the hdd
that I booted from.
Same with Simple Mephis and AntiX and other Debian derivatives.

I've spent many hours doing search for a solution to let them edit a html or text
file too and to save it back but them don't allow it.

So something did change. Suddenly Ubuntu 11.10 and LMDE 11 and Bodhi Linux
and Peppermint Linux all of them allow me to save changes back to the hdd
that I iso boot from using grub4dos

I love it so I don't want this to change but I am an old retired former Tele Com Technician so I know how keen the Devs are on security and I trust them
did not consider one would boot this way?

Or else them would have changed the code so it behave like any Linux and Unix distro do except such distros like Puppy which is set up to be different. And them
get much criticism for it too.

So either this is a secret change of policy them keep silent about or
them made a mistake and allowed for iso booting with saving to the media.

Can somebody explain and will the next update secretly change Peppermint
so it will stop allowing this or will you guys be gracious and allow us who dl
that version to have it while maybe next iso will protect us again???

PS I am in Peppermint Two now in case you wonder.

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:46 am 
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you probably need to organise your various disk stuff.
if you have a spare hard disk then you can put only peppermint on it.
that is ubuntu but specially made for using online apps instead of on system

it has ubuntu 11.04 as its base (natty)
if you put new ubuntu on it, it breaks.
If you want to do these things, post back, with information about your specs.

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:07 am 
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Thanks I edited the first post to show my specs
but what the thread is about has nothing to do with my specs
as I get it. " Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?"

I talk about that policy has either changed or that them made a glitch
in later versions. Back in 2010 or 2009 one could not boot a Ubuntu
or Linux Mint this way. I tried for many months. I am member on
Linux Mint forum in English and on two who are in Swedish and
I asked how one do such boot also on the Ubuntu forums and on
Linux Question and only by pure luck I was able to boot this way
now a few days ago so somethign has changed.

No I will not organize my disks. That is not what the thread is about!

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:42 pm 
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oldrong thanks to the info there on how Peppermint became peppermint.

So it is neither Ubuntu roper not Linux Mint but a kind of dev of Lubuntu.

But it is close enough to Ubuntu to boot in same way.

Some Debian variations like Simply Mephis don't boot with Casper them have Live
directory instead.

So there is differences.

Anyway what am I trying to say. Yes sorry it can be some grammar error in title.

Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?

1. Something has changed. I am now able to boot using the grub4dos code I gave in
my first post in this thread. The change is related to security in the way that for years
at least since 2006 each time that I have talked to Linux users and asked them then
they always say it is due to security. You should not be able to save to teh same HDD
that you boot from if it is a NTFS formatted internal HDD.

Now the Q1 the first part of the questions is. Did the Devs change policy or ...

2. Or should the fact that something has changed be seen as a glitch in the Development?

Something has changed. I can not boot in a way that was not possible and I can also
save changes to the hdd that I booted from. A big change. and it has to do with security
and my second questions is. Can this be a glitch, a human error, a mishap by the Devs.

They could not forsee that some stupid Newbie would boot that way so them are now
working hard on to stop this and next update one can no longer neither boot nor save!

Is that less confusing? I apology for my crazy English. Self taught reading Electronic
Mags on Library.

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:38 pm 
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Thanks that makes sense to me. One need someone that actually know how such things
suddenly can change.

I trust it is some "accident" I don't trust the Developers wanted it to be that way.
I trust them are not even aware of it or if them are them have it as low priority
due to extremely few would boot that crazy way as the old retired guy do.

So it is not a big urgent problem enough for them to care about now.

But seen from a long perspective it is totally unexpected and most unwanted
effect of some "glitch" in the set up. Most likely a human error. Somebody
too sleepy to notice them forgot to put an 0 isntead of 1 or x in some GUI
but whatever it will be interesting to see what them do when them get aware of it.

I bet them do everything to put a stop to it. :) It is too good to be allowed.
A "Real Linux" should not accept to be booted that way and allowed to write to that HDD.

ps it is too late for me to stay up so I go to bed now :)

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:43 am 
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newbody wrote:
I love it so I don't want this to change but I am an old retired former Tele Com Technician so I know how keen the Devs are on security and I trust them
did not consider one would boot this way?


I don't claim to know this, not having been involved on the dev side for some time now, but I would suggest that the answer to your question is probably, "Yes, Peppermint was not intended by design to be booted like this".

But that doesn't mean to say that it shouldn't be possible to achieve what you are looking for. My initial suggestion would be to edit your /etc/fstab file to ensure that the partition you are booting for is mounted read only. I think that would work, although I could be missing something.

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:08 pm 
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Thanks Rich, yes that seems to be the most likely way to get back the security
that Unix and Linux are famous for. But as is obvious I am very spoiled having
been user Puppy Linux now for three years so I want Pmint2 to stay this way
at least on my computer. I don't mind if others have to sudo and such.

Now you suggest I edit that one.

I go and try to ind the Etc dir and see if them allow me to edit them.

By the way. Talking about security. Over at Linux Mint them say that the
live CD user user name is mint and that one need no password
but that is only if one one boot up from the CD.

If one boot like I do frugal iso boot from NTFS then these suggested usernames
and passwords don't work at all and I am not the sole person experienced it either.

What do you know about such usernames and passwords on Pmint2?

Here is how I boot on NTFS formatted internal hdd pretending it is a cd rom.


title Pmint2
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /Peppermint-Two-i386-06052011.iso
kernel /Pmint2/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/Peppermint-Two-i386-06052011.iso quiet splash --
initrd /Pmint2/casper/initrd.lz

I write from within a booted pmint2 now.

I have now tested Ubuntu 11.10, LM 11, Bodhi latest version, Ultimate,
Semplice, Elementary, and more but Peppermint Two seems to be the
one with best mix of out of the box and not being overly bloated like LM 11 are.

So would be cool if the Devs did not change anything in the booting and let us
continue using it this way. But I guess that is in my dreams. Their Linux pride
would force them to repair this glitch in the code.

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 Post subject: Re: Security policy changed or a glitch in the Development?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:59 am 
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I'm not sure Kendall or anyone else on the team has done anything specific to make alterations to the boot process already established on the Lubuntu base -- this being the case it might be worth your while checking out the Lubuntu forums (on the assumption they're working ok) to find out if anybody shares your problem.

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