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 Post subject: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue (SOLVED)
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:20 am 
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I have no idea how many Korean speakers are using Peppermint but as a Japanese I feel uncomfortable to leave the neighbors behind. I wish this thread will help Korean users although I don't know anything about Korean typography nor do I know the best Korean font in the universe.

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As you see, the Korean text is totally unreadable/illegible. This may be a Chromium-specific issue since it doesn't happen on Firefox and even LibreOffice. The Chromium team officially dismissed this issue.[1]
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Quick Solution
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$ sudo apt-get install fonts-unfonts-core


My Thoughts on Internationalization (i18n)
I guess many of you guys dislike any English-only movement. But in reality, installing this Korean font consumes as much as 35MB of free disk space. Remember, Peppermint is so simple that it doesn't even come with Vim! Besides, Peppermint doesn't have any instruction manual or support in Korean which imply that Peppermint requires some English literacy. Therefore, we can presume that all Korean Peppermint users speak English as well. And I believe the exact same thing applies to any other languages.

In my humble opinion, our help documents and forum needs a new section "Language/Region specific know-hows". In the section there are many country flags that allow foreigners to find the right information. All the know-hows are briefly written in simple English. For example, where to get beautiful fonts; the Peppermint team only gives URLs thus they don't have to wade through license agreements to bundle it.

In short, (1) we want to use our own native languages, (2) but all of us speak English too, (3) so let's compose language-specific know-hows (4) because we don't want to install foreign language fonts.

Yeah, I did "$ sudo apt-get remove fonts-unfonts-core" already . . . to me, 35MB is more important than Korean texts. Holier than thou.

-Culip

[1] "Issue 82400: Korean characters overlap [...]".
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=82400


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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue and solution
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:00 am 
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culip wrote:
Quick Solution
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$ sudo apt-get install fonts-unfonts-core

[...] installing this Korean font consumes as much as 35MB of free disk space.

Nice gesture!

I'm somewhat familiar with this font package, only because 'they' were tossing errors in Ubu +1 during testing, a year or so ago.

The errors have been sorted now, so that shouldn't be a problem.

As far as the size of the 'package' is concerned, it actually contains 5 families of fonts:

    UnBatang
    UnDotum
    Ungraphic
    Unpilgi
    UnGungseo

Perhaps our Korean friends, depending on their locale, could simply install only 1 or 2 of the fonts (individually) instead of employing the 'shotgun' approach. ;)

Here is a list of the individual fonts, contained inside the 'fonts-unfonts-core' package...

Code:
/etc/fonts/conf.avail/90-fonts-unfonts-core.conf
/etc/fonts/conf.d/90-fonts-unfonts-core.conf
/usr/share/doc/fonts-unfonts-core/README.Debian
/usr/share/doc/fonts-unfonts-core/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/fonts-unfonts-core/copyright
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnBatang.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnBatangBold.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnDinaru.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnDinaruBold.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnDinaruLight.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnDotum.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnDotumBold.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnGraphic.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnGraphicBold.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnGungseo.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnPilgi.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/unfonts-core/UnPilgiBold.ttf

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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue and solution
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:35 am 
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Thanks for that :)

The help sections could probably do with a bit of an overhaul, as for non English translations I'm pretty sure Shane and Kendall would be open to the idea, the problems would be -

a) we'd need some native speakers to lend a hand (Google Translate isn't massively accurate).

b) they'd then have to be willing to maintain any changes across their versions too.

c) there'd have to be a certain level of trust involved, as it would be hard/impossible to monitor the quality and content of any translations .. so slightly risky to give an "official" stamp to.

In truth the team is just too small, mainly English speaking, and too busy .. it's not that Team Peppermint wouldn't want to or care, more a matter of resources ;)

So currently I suppose it would need to be a community effort .. over to you guys ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue and solution
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:02 am 
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I don't think we need any translator but guess we have four options:

Option 1: Do nothing
Good: Peppermint Team can spend their time and effort on more general matters: advertisement, support (except internationalization), more frequent updates, and development.
Bad: Korean-speaking newbies are likely to give up using Peppermint.

Option 2: Create a new section "Internationalization" in this forum
and foreigners share their know-hows. Peppermint Team may or may not involve in it.
Good: Not only Korean speakers but also foreigners may find it helpful and keep using Peppermint. As I mentioned I guess we can assume that all Peppermint users can speak English therefore all the foreigners must be bilingual (like British Chinese, brainy Israeli, etc.); that's why I don't think we need any translation work. Another good thing is that foreigners are less likely to discuss their language-specific issues outside the section. I know my post "Korean font issue" is even less useful than an insurance ad for 99% people here...
Bad: Can be a burden for Peppermint Team.

Option 3: Bundle a simple Korean font
"fonts-nanum-coding" is monospace and as small as 5MB of file size. It doesn't look really good but is still readable and practical enough, I guess.
Good: Korean speakers can use Korean on Peppermint, easily do their research and get better Korean support from Korean websites.
Bad: All the users need to install the Korean font that consumes 5MB.

Option 4: Switch the default browser from Chromium to Firefox
Again, this Korean language issue is Chromium-specific that implies Firefox gets a good reason to replace Chromium. I can imagine Peppermint Team and users have discussed "Chromium vs Firefox" many times. [1] But please note that Firefox' built-in PDF reader "pdf.js" can not replace a standalone PDF reader (like Evince) because it doesn't support printing very well.[2]

In spite of my low opinion about translation, I guess advertising in foreign languages may be practical; for example, a Japanese guy like me is demonstrating that I can use Japanese effortlessly on Peppermint and that can reassure and encourage Japanese speakers to try out Peppermint. Though that's just brainstorming, for sure advertisement is super important (and that's why I downloaded Peppermint from your website! ;-) )

-Culip

[1] Sneddon, J. E. "Chromium Likely to Replace Firefox As Default Browser in Ubuntu 13.10". OMG! Ubuntu. 16 May 2013.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/chromium-to-replace-firefox-as-default-browser-in-ubuntu
(See the pole results in the end of the article)

[2] Bugzilla @ Mozilla. "Bug 932289 - Low Quality Print Output of PDFs (linux)" 29 Oct 2013.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932289


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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue (SOLVED)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:38 am 
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Peppermint is unlikely to go back to Firefox any time soon (unless Firefox adds a method to open multiple instances using the same profile) - Mozilla decided to drop "Prism" which allowed for SSB's, so there is currently no way to get Ice to create web shortcuts that open in their own windows in Firefox.
Ice and SSB's require Chromium or Chrome to function .. and this functionality is a core Peppermint feature.

Better Korean font - if it's small and doesn't take the ISO above being able to fit on a CD, then I'm sure this could be considered :)
I'm sure at some point the Ubuntu base will push us past the CDROM size on it's own .. but whilst it's possible we'd like to be able to fit the ISO on a CD rather than requiring a DVD.

Foreign forum section - Whilst the team *might* be willing to consider this as a "community only" forum section (ie. unlikely to get much, if any support from Team Peppermint members .. remember, we all tend to only speak English), I still have reservations about moderation .. ie. how would we know if/when a flame war breaks out, or be able to moderated against inline advertising (this would NEED to be addressed, as any inline advertising would be unfair to any Peppermint sponsors .. not to mention annoying for forum users), or illegal content ?

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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue (SOLVED)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:37 am 
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Interesting!

I *think* I understand the OP's concern a little better, after doing an A/B comparison between Ubu and Peppermint.

I'm on my Ubu +1 testing box, right now, and was wondering what the big deal is. All you have to do is navigate to Google -Korea, do a search for "Peppermint OS Forums", click the translate link in the results, and this whole site comes up in Korean. I even took some screenies. Looked magnificent, actually. The entire site was in Korean -- posts, replies, drop-down menus, links, and all (except for the button icons, of course).


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Before posting, I thought I'd better crank up my Peppermint Four Re-Spin powered notebook, and take some screenshots there.

I repeated the steps above, and was met with 'squished fonts'. Moreover, my notebook hard-locked, and I had to reset it by using the power-button. First time that's happened since I've owned it. LoL! :D

I suppose the primary difference between the two machines is, my Ubu +1 desktop box has the 'fonts-unfonts-core' package installed, and my Peppermint notebook doesn't.

I'm short on time, at the moment, but I'll install the font the OP recommended on my lappy later today, and see if that takes care of the situation. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue (SOLVED)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:19 pm 
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Whew! Been on the trot all day.

Anyway, I just tried the 'fonts-nanum-coding' package. Didn't do jack!

Then, I did a little searching, and tried two other Korean font packages, to no avail.

Finally, I installed the 'fonts-unfonts-core' package, and it did the trick.


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Official 'Un Fonts' homepage looks fine too (no translation needed)...

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I downloaded the source package from here [ fonts-unfonts-core_1.0.3.is.1.0.2-080608.orig.tar.xz ].

Then, extracted the package to '/home/vindsl/.fonts'

Then
Code:
$ fc-cache -fv

And, rebooted.

Installed size is 32.7 MiB.

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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue (SOLVED)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:30 pm 
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OK, that's a bit large .. but it seems the only font necessary from:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/fonts-unfonts-core
is:-

UnDotum.ttf
(3.5mb)

which fixes the squashed Korean font

At least it does if this is Korean (?)

우리가 당신을주세요
당신은 지원 항목을 게시하기 전에 먼저 읽어보십시오.

If someone can confirm that's the only necessary font I'll draw it to Kendalls attention as a possible inclusion for Peppermint 5 .. I doubt if we'll push it as a Peppermint 4 update though.

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 Post subject: Re: Chromium: Korean / Hangul font issue (SOLVED)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:54 pm 
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Good to know!

I'll delete the other Un Fonts, and rebuild the cache.

The hard-lock is what concerns me.

I'll leave 'UnDotum.ttf' in the font cache, in case I run across a Korean web site during web searches, et cetera.

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